Comments on: I’ve said it for a long time, just didn’t quite make my point http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point Persoonlijke mening en visie van Ronny Welter Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:56:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Kevin Airgid http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point/comment-page-1#comment-5970 Kevin Airgid Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:01:34 +0000 http://nocreativity.com/blog/?p=793#comment-5970 I agree with you. But sadly you are very right. One my blogs where I "list" things I get much higher traffic. In fact if you google "open source flash cms" you will see a post where I list Flash cms's come up near the top. I wrote this post years ago. It's crazy but lists work... but I agree they really don't add much value. I agree with you. But sadly you are very right. One my blogs where I “list” things I get much higher traffic. In fact if you google “open source flash cms” you will see a post where I list Flash cms’s come up near the top. I wrote this post years ago. It’s crazy but lists work… but I agree they really don’t add much value.

]]> By: Ronny http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point/comment-page-1#comment-5966 Ronny Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:00:59 +0000 http://nocreativity.com/blog/?p=793#comment-5966 Hey Mark, You're completely right! Posts listing all kinds of stuff at once not only makes the people linked in that post feel less unique, the list itself really works demotivating by times. Btw: cool you removed that banner between the posts. It's that kind of advertisement that crosses the line. I'm one of those people that look at the content and only expect content to show up. Not ads. (Call me crazy, but most of the time I take a look at the ads too :-P It's like checken the newspaper ;-) ) Anyway: Cool you removed it! You're a better person now ;) Hey Mark,
You’re completely right! Posts listing all kinds of stuff at once not only makes the people linked in that post feel less unique, the list itself really works demotivating by times.

Btw: cool you removed that banner between the posts. It’s that kind of advertisement that crosses the line. I’m one of those people that look at the content and only expect content to show up. Not ads. (Call me crazy, but most of the time I take a look at the ads too :-P It’s like checken the newspaper ;-) )
Anyway: Cool you removed it! You’re a better person now ;)

]]> By: Mark http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point/comment-page-1#comment-5965 Mark Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:53:05 +0000 http://nocreativity.com/blog/?p=793#comment-5965 Great post and point of view. I removed my banner between my posts on my blog-index page after reading this article. I don't earn money with my blog anyway. Ontopic; The community which you described, shares a lot for free (code/knowledge). I think this drives the community to create more and better technology. And maybe this is one of the reasons technology is growing this fast. It is sad to see big websites are overdoing themselves with banners. In terms of the flash communities, look at flashkit.com, there is no community anymore, there are only banners :) About the lists, I dislike them too. Sometimes it is inspiring to see what is possible and hot, but '150 great designs of the month' makes me also feel depressed. That is the reason why I just follow feeds of sites/blog i really like. Most of them are just from people who are sharing knowledge. I am getting inspired by people who just give some handles to create things yourself or encourage you to experiment and explore. Thanks for your post Ronny! Great post and point of view. I removed my banner between my posts on my blog-index page after reading this article. I don’t earn money with my blog anyway.

Ontopic; The community which you described, shares a lot for free (code/knowledge). I think this drives the community to create more and better technology. And maybe this is one of the reasons technology is growing this fast. It is sad to see big websites are overdoing themselves with banners. In terms of the flash communities, look at flashkit.com, there is no community anymore, there are only banners :)

About the lists, I dislike them too. Sometimes it is inspiring to see what is possible and hot, but ‘150 great designs of the month’ makes me also feel depressed. That is the reason why I just follow feeds of sites/blog i really like. Most of them are just from people who are sharing knowledge. I am getting inspired by people who just give some handles to create things yourself or encourage you to experiment and explore.

Thanks for your post Ronny!

]]> By: Ronny http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point/comment-page-1#comment-5960 Ronny Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:48:14 +0000 http://nocreativity.com/blog/?p=793#comment-5960 Hi Scrivs, Thanks for your kind words :) Cool you liked the post. You're right: In business it's always about money. No matter what industry. TV, web, magazines, whatever, wherever... Although it's kind of normal, it's kind of sad too... A lot of people/blogs/etc only value money, while there's a way bigger price-tag on the readers-base/community-base. Fact is: You can't buy a cool community. You have to build it, and that takes time. And in the end: that is worth so much more than any ad-agency is willing to pay to advertise. And let's face it: In the end it's way more fulfilling if people start to link back to you if you do your own thing, because of the stuff _you_ have actually done/written. Not because of some list with links to other people(s work)... It's a very important topic and I really hope more people will realize it :) Hi Scrivs,
Thanks for your kind words :) Cool you liked the post.
You’re right: In business it’s always about money. No matter what industry. TV, web, magazines, whatever, wherever… Although it’s kind of normal, it’s kind of sad too…

A lot of people/blogs/etc only value money, while there’s a way bigger price-tag on the readers-base/community-base. Fact is: You can’t buy a cool community. You have to build it, and that takes time. And in the end: that is worth so much more than any ad-agency is willing to pay to advertise.

And let’s face it: In the end it’s way more fulfilling if people start to link back to you if you do your own thing, because of the stuff _you_ have actually done/written. Not because of some list with links to other people(s work)…

It’s a very important topic and I really hope more people will realize it :)

]]> By: Scrivs http://nocreativity.com/blog/ive-said-it-for-a-long-time-just-didnt-quite-make-my-point/comment-page-1#comment-5959 Scrivs Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:30:06 +0000 http://nocreativity.com/blog/?p=793#comment-5959 Ronny, if everyone wrote with the passion that you just did the world would be a better place. Well maybe not the world, but at least our community would be in a better position than it is now. I'm happy that I could write an article that gets links, retweets and some exposure for my new site, but what really makes me proud is that it can invoke others to write and discuss what is on their minds about the situation. I can't remember the person that wrote the last list I read, but I can tell you that if someone mentions Ronny over at noCreativity I will be able to tell them what I remember reading at the site. That is what people need to understand, that in this world you can do a lot of copycat things and receive some traffic/money from it, but you can receive so much more when you start to do your own thing. I know it can be hard to see when you are just starting off because these things take time, but continue to push out the great stuff and eventually everything starts to fall into place. You are right though that when money starts to enter the mix things begin to change. That is how it has always worked in the publishing world, both online and offline. It can be a tough balance trying to make a living (or get extremely rich) and stay true to the community that helped you get there. I can only hope that if I'm fortunate enough to be in that position that I make the right choices. Anyways, enjoyed the article and am subscribing. Look forward to going through your archives to see what else you got. Ronny, if everyone wrote with the passion that you just did the world would be a better place. Well maybe not the world, but at least our community would be in a better position than it is now. I’m happy that I could write an article that gets links, retweets and some exposure for my new site, but what really makes me proud is that it can invoke others to write and discuss what is on their minds about the situation.

I can’t remember the person that wrote the last list I read, but I can tell you that if someone mentions Ronny over at noCreativity I will be able to tell them what I remember reading at the site. That is what people need to understand, that in this world you can do a lot of copycat things and receive some traffic/money from it, but you can receive so much more when you start to do your own thing.

I know it can be hard to see when you are just starting off because these things take time, but continue to push out the great stuff and eventually everything starts to fall into place.

You are right though that when money starts to enter the mix things begin to change. That is how it has always worked in the publishing world, both online and offline. It can be a tough balance trying to make a living (or get extremely rich) and stay true to the community that helped you get there. I can only hope that if I’m fortunate enough to be in that position that I make the right choices.

Anyways, enjoyed the article and am subscribing. Look forward to going through your archives to see what else you got.

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